How to tell Magnetic Stories | Gabrielle Dolan | Episode 184

Gabrielle, or do I cairo a sata drive round, you can call me round. Call me well fuck to the show so good to have you here today.00:00:13

SpeakerThanks got lou really looking forward to our chat so ago. We talk about your book bag. Kinetic stories. Thank you for copy hold up bring here for you to prove I haven’t actually did go through,00:00:24

Speakerso I’m going to go heard, I’m going to go fast out of the gate. With the first question of this interview and I’m going to00:00:34

Speakerconfess, I am not a lover of story time00:00:42

Speakerwhy? What what’s? What’s happened to you? In your past00:00:48

Speakerthe libby called my therapist. Now00:00:52

SpeakerI feel there’s a need for stories. There’s a certain place, four stories. What a fine right now going on in this space is that stories are getting a lot of amp nest and hyped up as like. Oh you have you have to tell a story to tell a story to tell a story. While you know sometimes people don’t need stored in aegis direction and guidance and that00:01:12

Speakerit’s about it.00:01:13

SpeakerThat being said, like I said, adieu fun sometimes do yo, there’s a need for and a place for them, but you’re definitely gonna find this cat writing a book about stories up so now, they’re saying can’t say: can I guess that’s it? That’s really! I’m glad you started that because I think one of the misperceptions especially now story stories getting00:01:33

Speakerreally popular escape him going to tell a story. Gonna do these, it’s gonna, be this big story and I look at it and guy festival like it’s, not even a story, and it’s not inappropriate story to tell said I’m absolutely with you. You don’t need a story for everything,00:01:51

Speakerour right that did not go away. I was expecting super. Thank you00:01:55

Speakerso yeah, but why are there foreign, though, and I guess the fall through that is when, when are the appropriate to be you so that leaders use but don’t have views stories like that, I’m gonna. Can I steal that use baton, abuse that occurs operate pies? Do you want to do?00:02:15

SpeakerI want to know where that came from. So ah00:02:21

SpeakerI feel lucky gonna tell me a story and gonna tell you exactly stories. So when I was growing up in a very small town of newfoundland, which is on the east coast of canada, are local swimming hole, there would been a what we call a cabin or yours, mccall, cottage there and the guy built basically a damn in me00:02:39

Speakerand turn it into a swimming hole of a little small brock and he had assigned there’s said use but don’t abuse. So all the local kids were allowed to go and swim there, but of course of it. So that’s her own. So since I was like six years old,00:02:57

Speakera story to edit golf is a story tick behind the mania and to me from that to me what I get from that were what he was trying to say is use it that respect it and- and I think we could apply exactly the same story say, use it and respect it’s. I don’t darn easy story to manipulate00:03:16

Speakeruse it to influence, which I, which I think is coming to wipe set. Your question like, when would you use it and when we do not ease yeah exactly you know when winter, when winds should lou yours be looking to young user story too, yet amplify their point or or or when you winch did not be using as well yeah.00:03:36

SpeakerYes to me, what a story does to me a story helps your audience, understand your message beta and it helps them connect to it in a way that um influences an outcome, so they they connect with it. They remember it. They engage with it and ultimately, sometimes we try to influence people as we’re trying to get them to do something different or feel00:03:56

Speakersomething different. I actually think something different00:03:59

Speakerso when, when you don’t need a story, if you’re just doing a project status update, you don’t need a story for that, because you just reporting on information. If someone asks you what the latest monthly sales figure is, you don’t need all that reminds me of a time when it is story for that. So to me, storytelling is something you use key00:04:19

Speakerright strategically. So when would you use it if you’re giving a presentation on, say innovation? I would start with a story about what innovation means. You have set the thing up if you’re rolling out new values like, I truly believe that you can’t roll out company values or your own values without stories. If you try to get people to00:04:39

Speakernick did, engage with your strategy again, you gonna date stories. So the e don’t need them for everything, but you do need them when you’re trying to influence people or get people really connected and engaged with what you’re saying00:04:54

Speakerawesome so from what I’m hearing is basically those strategic level type of activism or you’re, trying to be more influential vice director of right, sir turn inspired trying to motivate you’re trying to you know, create change or foster your ideas in the life of those type of00:05:13

Speakeractivity. Vice know more of the managerial side to lose about a given direction in reporting,00:05:23

Speakercrunching out a project or whatever, but preferred get it be face. If you just trying to inform people like just pass on information, you probably don’t need story, but if you’d like you said, if you try to influence them and inspire them and motivate the mitigation, and yet you need a story for that awesome, so many readers out there was seriously okay00:05:43

Speakera great but yeah. It’s like okay. I got two special for me right now. So right now am as you as we discuss our favorite record by day senior canadian army officer. We have two big things going on right now: retired my culture change and we’re talking innovation network, hello,00:06:02

Speakerright up your alley, I would think, would work with it comes the storytelling right so as I’m trying to motivate inspire and basically foster my my people now to think about these ideas and think about the future think about how we can do things differently and better. You know what00:06:21

Speakerfunny story should be looking to tell here,00:06:25

Speakerah to your incite these different emotions over to them yeah. So one of the things liked a lot of companies day. They they talk about culture, change and, I would say to city scott, but what does that mean to you like? On the shoe mean culture change? Is an issue mean we? We need to follow these values and high00:06:45

Speakerprevious like we need to. This is the way we need to do things in now, as opposed to the way with dumb things is. Is that what it means is it oh colored around you know, use and behave. It would be fair but fairer for a quick one yeah. So I think companies are really good at saying. Okay, this is our purpose, and these are our values and- and we gonna drive coach chai00:07:05

Speakeringe around this, but I would go. I would look at each one of those values, so you know we’ve got three or four or five values to say. Leaders need personal stories about what that means to them. Sorrow in a you might have a value say: integrity might be one of your values. What I find when I come in and train leaders I got I k saved,00:07:25

Speakeryou need a personal story, ran integrity. They got right. I got to, let me ask you: question was integrity mean to you and I’ll go?00:07:33

SpeakerIt means telling the truth. Like I get. What else does it mean to you?00:07:38

SpeakerIt means to not naive put me on the spot here. I haven’t really thought about it, this much before spike. The first thing is we haven’t even given it leaders the spice to go, what does it actually mean to you and then once we find out what it means to them, then I take them through the process of having find a personal story too00:07:57

Speakercommunicate that message. Do it I’ll give you an example, because I think when you talking about the power story, there’s no other better way to talk about the power of it than give you an example. So, let’s say, for example, you’ve had a cult shot, which was a win at all costs: culture: side that that was the culture that you wanna shine. We try to change our culture00:08:18

Speakerwhere it’s not win at all cost. Yes, we need is important, but doing the right thing is also important to us. So, let’s just say: when looking for a culture change and that’s one of the aspects we wanna do so we might have a value around integrity or you might have a value called doing the right thing unite. We could wordsmith at all like spit. That’s what it means to you.00:08:38

SpeakerI’ve I’ve had an example of this way and leda. So I’d go okay. So as leaders as ceo as senior leaders, you need to be sharing personal stories around, but that means around that culture of snot win at all costs, doing the right thing. So let me give an example of a story that one lady shade around this valley,00:08:58

Speakeryou of doing the right thing.00:09:01

SpeakerShe said dumb in the early sixties. My dad was a professional swimmer and he reached the point in his career that he actually tried out for the national swim squat and on the day of the mate he was. Apparently we need these rice and he got to the end to do the tumble ten, but slightly misjudged the ball, and this was what if this was in the early sixties, I was way before technology00:09:20

Speakersenses and I had judges at the end, but with all that kicking and splashing, he knew that they wouldn’t know whether he touched the ball or not.00:09:28

SpeakerSo we had to make a split second decision: does he just keep on swimming, or does he go back and touch the wall and he decided to go back and touch the wall night? You don’t really recover from that and end he didn’t and he never if made the national swim squad, and I would always ask my dad add: do you regret going back to touch the wall and he said of never regretted that,00:09:48

Speakerbecause if I didn’t go back and touch the ball, it would only be in yeah. I’d have to spend the rest of my life knowing I did the wrong thing and I’m sharing this with you, because it reminds me about value integrity. It’s only a matter of time. Before we go back, we will have outlined, go back and touch the ball moments, and I invite you to consider what my dad00:10:11

Speakeryeah that’s that’s. A real life example of a leader sharing a story about her dad em up eating. What does that story do for you? Does it it it? It brings value to life. Doesn’t it and it’s sort of does create a creates, is what the message is getting across. I, yes, it’s important to win, but it’s not win at all costs.00:10:29

SpeakerIt’s not doing the wrong thing, and it’s only through that story that it makes it sort of brings that value to life00:10:38

Speakeryeah. I gotta consider for sure. What do you do? Go a little tug at your heart strings there and someone’s talk about noon with their father in the and ignore noir at you can almost imagine I can’t imagine. I should say00:10:54

Speakerhim at that level right that high competitive level of where it’s literally splitting hairs of fur for pretty much for time, even at that age, right that that timeframe, so you’re doing the right thing mattered more than than getting the windsor know. I can def, I see how00:11:15

Speakerfromm how that would relate to to know emphasizing the need uniforms of integrity in at noon. That’s a very high value indicates army,00:11:26

Speakerfor I had money yet, though, had a majority who things are going sideways and we do now about to happen before00:11:35

Speakernn nn eat under the woman that shared, that name is ann and she said that in I every time someone comes and works for her. She she’s at story like it’s part of head induction process. I guess for want of a better word every time she changes a new job, a new company. She shares at story because it’s it’s her leadership value and she will say00:11:54

Speakerthat night they come to a decision. They need to make decision with it’s. I obey end. She said people might start going down well, technically, we don’t have to do I legally we’re not obliged to do. I and someone will always say this- is I’ll, go back and touch the ball moment. What’s the right thing to do, I guess what everyone guys will bees clearly the right thing to do?00:12:15

SpeakerOh and you go well clearly that’s what we will do so when you talk about culture change you talking about values, inaction like actually people making decisions based on the values and without sharing stories. Those values they just they just remind words on a wall at words on a pie and people are making decisions by00:12:35

Speakerstop them.00:12:37

SpeakerNo, no. No! The pub00:12:39

Speakermakes the nasal loss answer in I like that. Last part, the young it’s gotta, be in a part of your dna of organization it. If, if you just tell the story and move on, then it basically becomes known lot like a lot of those companies that have o’hara values and they’re, just kind of pain00:13:00

Speakeron the wall and their one walks by them, not even walk near barely looks at them, but don’t reflect on them or anything. So I guess this is another great way of deal making those words that are just there come alive and actually media near the end and to me it’s also evils. I gonna do it I mean clearly, I am here: yeah am has to be united if she’s sharing a stir.00:13:20

SpeakerSorry, like that, she’s gotta be doing the right thing, all the time so to make culture change happens when you actually do it, he actually leave the values, but also the stories you share about the value side. To me, you gotta have both things happening at the same time.00:13:37

SpeakerAbsolutely00:13:38

Speakernow00:13:41

Speakeris there like a formula for the lawyers at their winter? Think, okay, her young. I have a story fits this young. Maybe I’m trying to relate to a value of of my company like you use, but now is like okay, it’s like so long or so many different parts do00:14:00

Speakeryeah. So is there a formula that leaders at their can use go okay? I need this piece by piece, narrow piece to make a graceful. It’s gonna stick with. My people relate to the point that I’m trying to make and basically live longer than the thirty seconds it’s gonna take yeah yeah. Look. There is a formula idea. I am. There is a very, very big difference00:14:20

Speakerbetween sharing stories without friends, over dinner and sharing stories in work and like a massive difference and at united, but I know I know I’m might be biased, because this is what I do, but I think if you don’t teach your leaders how to do that you’re if you setting them up for finally, as opposed to setting up for success, so I wanna give you a few quick, quick tips.00:14:40

SpeakerThe first is, I take people through this process of beginning middle and end now note. I know it might seem obvious, but there’s a lot of people out there that tell stories without an ending and you don’t wanna pay. That is still wanna, be that person that tells a story without an ending, so a couple of teaching. What is that helena recognize? Like even you know, even when people tell a story and then I just go on and you sir,00:15:01

Speakera guy like but wait. Where was that going? What was it about it too, thin privilege just slowly fade a long thought, india, they tweaked slightly inflated by like teenagers where they slowly fade away and then go and yeah slick.00:15:15

SpeakerOh give me give me seven years ago, six year old and a two year or soon be three year old, so I’m am always aware of those they’ll be talking and then the guy and yeah. But yet we we we want an indie.00:15:28

SpeakerSo a couple of things. First of all, you stories need to be sustained, so you said thirty seconds. I think we we can go a little bit longer than that, but I think you need you need to be sharing your stories well under three minutes. Sorry to me about one to two minutes is a bit of a sweet spot, because if your paypal, if your audience is starting to think, gets the point00:15:48

Speakeryou’re losing them. So you want to be finished story well before that, and I think I think one of the misconceptions of story telling with pip story, like I hate story time is: we’ve all come across people that just go on and on and on with stories and and they not engaging- and I think the other the other ways how you start a story so you die.00:16:08

SpeakerI want to be starting your story with. Let me tell you a story. Consider pink girl, please don’t list, and I just tell me the point.00:16:16

SpeakerSome things like time and place like guinea. The in like the story, I shared a ban you’re in the early sixties. My dad was a professional swimmer, so it’s like okay, we’re into the story, and I I and I’m one of eight children way into the story. Three years ago I went camping sites like studying the story really effectively determining what you put in00:16:36

Speakerin and out so deciding what data goes in on what they tell guys out, is really important and and how you ended. How you end the story is critical and you don’t wanna be ending with the moral of the story is so to me a story is a really respectful way to communicate and you need to allow people to get the message now,00:16:56

Speakernot for you to tell them what the messages so yeah, for example the story I just shit about and a dead. She entered the story with. I invite you to consider what my dad would do. Can you say how she’s not telling she’s, not science, of the moral of the story is. I expect you to do the right thing all the time it be like to tell me what to do00:17:17

Speakerawesome so one of the rooms in length, your start. Naturally, you every kiowa cause the as the swimming whole story. Kind of argument,00:17:30

Speakeryou basically keep keep, keeps keep it tied to the purpose and and actually have an ending and then finally have an ending. So that is a lot of the person for flagship vice direction. Is where hearing from you a lot of like and about uncle, unlike in your little logos here, scott,00:17:49

Speakernot reflection,00:17:52

Speakeruse, don’t abuse yeah yeah I’ve got like a rhyming dictionary. This might have been laundered through. You know. This might be my first or second podcast interview that I’ve done or two hundred and third, but also those marching songs that you’ve made up in in, I think we’re happy. We are married with an m and generic epithet00:18:12

Speakeras if I looted those sayings kinds of skill. It helps get those points ahead, rightly news, but don’t abuse in india a reflection, not not direction, I am sure, got fifty million in the back man. I can’t pull them out right so big, but you know that the cool thing they use but don’t abuse. I will00:18:31

SpeakerI remember that more because she told me the back story right and the back story gives it meaning gives it a lot more meaning than just um. Just like this, I guess the slogan. I guess right right, right, awesome so got the women format. So but let’s backtrack her. We you told me why they’re important and you00:18:51

Speakerand in you, if someone agrees with me that they’re not the end all be all, but they need to be young right time and place just like anything else.00:18:59

SpeakerWe talked about winter bus use how to pick a good one. We talked with the formula now leader who’s listening there and I come from a part of the country where we love to talk so storytelling, as you can tell, is not a big deal to me. I know: will we talking I’m debbie the gaps with anybody and yon that type of personnel,00:19:19

Speakertwo very outgoing and no love meeting new people and learning people and talking people were how to do it. But of course, there’s lot of introverts they listen up. There was into the shop girl who are not fat, but the same ponder in these leadership roles and you’re like I need to you’ll make better connections. My people need to drive00:19:39

Speakerthese things like values and idea, ideas home harder to my people to not giving it. I know I need to add stories to it stylish story tower. What do you say to those people00:19:56

Speakerout there to get them going? Yeah, okay, so visible when purpose, I am not a good storyteller00:20:03

Speakerme goes as humans. Your urine, you naturally tell stories, but I get some might be better at it than others, and we often go to that extrovert introvert, because we sometimes see the extroverts I’m going gang holding holding the floor telling the stories, but what I find, ironically, is the introverts.00:20:23

SpeakerLet’s come up with not sometimes often come up with the bigger stories, because, what’s involved in being really good at storytelling, business is a lot of thinking and thinking about what shall key messy. So what your one single message, what does it mean to me personally so having thinking about that00:20:44

Speakerand then going through the process of where could I find a personal story so on I talk about the personal stories around story about a dead is what I would consider a personal story as in it’s got nothing to do with work now the default he’s. We gonna use a lot of work stories and they still fine,00:20:58

Speakerbut I would say think about what are the messages you need to communicate and get it like. We said before, you don’t need a story for it if everything, but if you’re always trying to give a message around innovation, for example, and people don’t quite get it think it all might be a story would help them get it so be really clear on what innovation means to you00:21:19

Speakerthen go through this process of going. Do I have a personal story that would work for that. It could be something growing up. It could be something about your parents or it could be a teacher that did something to you or could be something if kids have done00:21:34

Speakerdarren dismiss and the the problem. People guys are of got a story, but it seems really. It doesn’t seem big enough for innovation and the reality is. It will be big enough, though, sort a day to day stories that you don’t think, I’m big enough or important enough are the ones that people really connect and engage. We say soda gotta go through this process of being clear on the message.00:21:54

SpeakerThinking about the potential story. She could have and then sort of matching them on mum. I am a massive fan of storytelling, but I’m also a messi fan of excel spreadsheets. I love spreadsheets, etc. To me, it’s literally disorder going. Okay, you’ve got a growing list of messages. She needs to live out. What are the potential stories and you could almost to spread00:22:14

Speakershape to sort of match them to go on gonna. Do that story? If you don’t like spreadsheets, just think of it as a you know, a couple of list and matching them together.00:22:23

SpeakerI love excel, but I hate the abuse of excel, but that’s a story for another day brook brooch accused own abuse used, but our leaders now we ever ever of a very big hole through a problem in the armed forces where we use excel for everything00:22:42

Speakeras we’re. Innovative type guy drives me nuts because they have yet and effectively useless00:22:47

Speakeryep, but that’s not a starter, but you know that I, like god, depending on how it’s used the be use very, very of I’m sure you’ll you could you please seriously, could just write a journal like a or at a notebook cassava night to beat. The idea appears to be clear on your message and then then had the stories you could use because sky00:23:07

Speakernormally in business. What happens? Is you got a guy need to communicate a message on h, communicated value, our need to communicate innovation or need to communicate diversity, inclusion or yeah, whatever it is, and then we try to find a story, but once you get really good at this once and I find these after of of run, my training workshops, people sort of story00:23:27

Speakertelling right. I go up and that something will happen to them and they will just go. How could I use this? So how could I use this as a story? So what once you realize, the power of story? Life will go on as usual with you and you will start to spot stories everywhere. So one,00:23:45

Speakerlet me give you another example: we we can’t do this podcast without at sharing lots of stories. That flynn me give an example of this00:23:53

Speakerlast year during winter was about this time last eagles. Twenty is that my eldest daughter, alex she’s nineteen and she got me onto wind, drops now. Don’t I’ve had these before, but the ideas you put five drops of wine drops into your wine, normally red wine, and it’s meant to reduce the effects. Preservatives have on you the next day, so pretty much just reduce00:24:12

Speakerany form of hang were kind of one. I like it down there for of the e o. Maybe it is how much retreat00:24:20

Speakerit hurt. My drinking good, australian wine, ethel were drinking00:24:27

Speakerso anyway,00:24:28

Speakerfriday night is winter, was cold with the fire on opened, abolish red pull of five drops of wine drops in the bottle, poured myself a glass and alex in class and alex went to refill our glasses a bit lighter and she standing in the kitchen holding up the wind drops guy mum. You didn’t put this in the wine teacher and I went yes.00:24:48

SpeakerWhy and she goes, you know these aren’t mine drops. These are eyedrops, it’s like she’s going, you probably poisoned, listen and you accept my first reaction was who was the idiot that lift eye drops right next to the red wine bottle? That was my first reaction. Blame someone else, but my second reaction was: how could I use this liked it? This is a fun little store.00:25:08

SpeakerSorry, how could I use it? So what message could I take and then I think that could be a really good, a story around assumptions. How we make assumptions all the time like I just assumed that the bottle was wind drops. I didn’t even great. I didn’t even read the label mind you if I had read the label the eye drops in blink relief in every00:25:28

Speakerblink and I probably would have just read that as drink relief have reached britain at so so what I do is offer of got like a little journal, a little in a notebook, and I just right. Eyedrops, slash, wind, drops, equals assumptions and now now, if I ever need to give a message around the import00:25:49

Speakersince of not making assumptions, perhaps I could share that little funny story to get the message across better.00:25:56

SpeakerI absolutely agree almost see you running for your notebook or maybe your computer, to grow on excel and just hibernate in right away because yo, I think one of the biggest issues is that right, ah it’s great store. I could use some pierre and then we don’t do we don’t take out of it and you know enamored yeah and if you really seriously eva,00:26:16

Speakerif you don’t wanna, write it down to take a fart hour. That’s the one thing I do a lot is I just take a fart I saw. I literally had the wind drops in eyedropper bottles next to each other, and I took the fart I so that’s a reminder. When I travel a lot, I will say something and I’ll take a fight, because I think I could adjust just I just wanted. I wanted to be a memory of what I could do, such as find of00:26:36

Speakerwriter. Remember it and capture it, I guess so you don’t forget it and, and the cool thing be taking a fighter. If you ever doing a presentation, for example, he couldn’t actually have the photo that your own fido and have that as the united on your powerpoint side. That’s the cool thing to me. Taking a I look at all the little real,00:26:56

Speakerno actionable nuggets been dropper worried now, defer is thick, a minotaur have an excel spreadsheet or now possess leader, so the recovery or become more comfort overall. Does. How does this section of the conversation starter was his nephew understanding and accepting that we all are storytellers. We all have an inner tube,00:27:16

Speakerbeast orator and really being intentional about walking in realizing that every moment that we’re essentially living can be used as a straw yeah that can be used, write your own can be used for the benefit of people like. I can go ahead tomorrow and walk and work, and I could tell a story:00:27:37

Speakera recording of parkersburg storytelling in a on at cartons and all this stuff, and some some lady named rao from down under the three through storytelling, is actually not come somewhere and the reason I say that in one of the reasons I share that eyedrop story to scotty’s pissed, a lot of people go out, but I don’t have any stories like united.00:27:57

SpeakerNothing major happened to me and was like it. Don’t worry about the major stuff. It’s these little little things that happen to every day. It’s just a set piece of saying. Could I use that? And and if you, if you share that story- and it helps your people- you know whether it’s your team or your customers. What if it helps him understand the message better than y?00:28:17

SpeakerWouldn’t you do it, so I’m gonna go even further and say these stories. The story of the drops is a fantastic story from a leadership perspective,00:28:31

Speakerand this is the types of stories that you know we should us leader should be striving to tell. We should actually avoid as much as possible the rock ones, although they do have the time and place, but these ones here really show who you are so now you. I know you like wine.00:28:48

SpeakerI know that you’re concerned with the effects of the next morning00:28:53

Speakerright. I know you have a daughter who, obviously you have a good relationship with. I know so much about you from this my thirty seconds. Forty five second story. You we’ve now made a connection. You’ve been vulnerable with me because you can be a mistake. You’re not super human, and you make more00:29:13

Speakerstakes, is your so is it could be as eyedrops thinking it was mine drops, which I’ve actually never heard of so I’ve worked something,00:29:22

Speakerbut you see the connection that’s already made. So if you told you so random work story at it now, don’t get me wrong. I have all kinds of work stories. I tell all kinds from from new stories from around the globe when I’m trying to make points- or I try to explain things, I give a lot of presentations and stuff like this or when I’m explaining those things I used. These perks00:29:41

Speakercruz has roots immense young, the principles or the idea, or two points I’m trying to make. But when you’re trying to connect with your team and discuss these values- and your was really touchy, feely subjects showing your authenticity as a leader is huge and cyrillic that again cost and scott you’ve, if just eve picked up on one00:30:01

SpeakerI’ve, almost the added benefits of sharing personal story. So, for example, I every time you share a personal story so like the wind drops one on doing it to get the message across. That’s practically that’s what I’m doing afford to get the message across of assumptions and then and then I could also use work related ones where we were working on this program00:30:21

Speakerlike to me my assumption and the customers happy so would do that, but the the the personal ones getting people really engage. But if you’ve touched on the added benefit, what it means now is you know a little bit more about me than you would that would never have come up in conversation and by default. That means we have a little bit of00:30:42

Speakercloser relationship than we would offend. We might you know we might do this again in a year’s time and you’re probably going so. Has your daughter here end. You know in january the end. It does show that little things that I like red wine. I am sitting at home on a friday night drinking red wine with my daughter. So yet maybe we’ve got a good relationship, and so you pick00:31:02

Speakercouple these little extra things that are not sharing the story to to get that across. But that’s the added benefits and when you’re talking about leadership, could you imagine every time you share a personal story, you getting the message across, but every time you share a personal story of strengthening the relationship with your teen, my goodness, how powerful that00:31:23

Speakerapps over our world car, far more likely acid, free storage and american, says ask how your daughter is that many ups at euro, my wife, just some love00:31:35

Speakeror is it a fad? Has the conversation I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it and there was maybe one from the gecko born fourteen august. Things like all good stories, coming, no way to end them,00:31:47

Speakerno in tandem and when wrap up now, but the ending I like the story of the same outlaw summer and into all the podcast here with a couple of questions, the first being crushed us all the us here at the peak performance, lucia parkas, nascar, new route dawn. What makes a great leader, I think,00:32:07

Speakerauthenticity00:32:09

Speakerjust yeah. We took that shiny little bit of vulnerability, get dumb, don’t have to be superhuman. I have a I night, you like you’re a little signs. My one of my signs is real. Ladies, aren’t perfect and perfectly isn’t real, so stop trying to be perfect and stop trying to be real. Oh I’m still on that one.00:32:28

SpeakerHe can steal that one I’ll swap you them on will swat you. You use and don’t be daunted years, and I knew I relayed is imperfect. Perfectly is unreal, but you can take them. Aren’t real assam, those wow a feeling of this microphone wasn’t so expensive. I dropped it.00:32:46

SpeakerThe whole thing is: how can people find you’re going to follow? You be part of your journey of it. You shameless plugs, have out of it look linkedin among linkedin, but gabriel dolan, dot, coms, my website and I think, if, if you’re thinking about law, it sounds interesting. How do I get started? Go to the website. You can download my seven day story, telling00:33:06

Speakerstatic heat, it’s free and it is sort of what it says it is it just. It’s gonna be something just to help. You get started and help think about. The stories are equal judy, so it’s a good place to to to stop00:33:18

Speakerawesome and, as always, it’s easy for you to listers in the show notes had to moving for leadership dot com for sauce one eight, four four: I grab a copy of the book than go ahead. Do that through the show notes, and you get the support me as well as yes, that is affiliate link and helps to one support role00:33:38

Speakerin her cause with two helps me: keep this podcast going so ma’am. It has been fantastic love, the conversation love the banter and the stories that were told. But, more importantly, you know I don’t seem importance of them and what makes a great story thanks. Scott. I think I’ve sounds like up from thirty two to story time,00:33:57

Speakerwe’ll stick with ballot. You know one story at a time answer.